UC Davis Students Pepper Sprayed

[Havoc]

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OK so why did the news go on and on that this was a peaceful protest about tuition hikes and not OWS bullshit?

These kids are assholes. I'm now with Havoc saying the cops were 100% right.

If all I had to go on was the news and the videos in those links I provided, I'd still stand by my feeling the spray was excessive. But since more than one news source LIED and then made it impossible to find a proper video at the time I posted (when the story was hot), I had no choice but to go by what I saw and read.

OWS idiots are now dying from exposure in Denver because they are too stupid to get out of the cold.

really you did have something other to go by than the snipped video, I laid out all of the proceedure for you that would lead up to the use of pepper.

[Havoc]

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I had pretty much figured that. And no, emotionally I'm fine. Just more honest is all. Practice projection much? Typical response that because I had the nerve to disagree with you means something is wrong with me is, well, typical.

I'm inclined to check on the honesty issue at this point.

You had no problem questioning my integrity and judgement, lets see if you are big enough to retract and acknowledge that I was right all along.

[Biker Dude]

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Nothing has come up that would make me change anything I said. You responded with wild emotion, and claimed I was the emotional one. Check, no change. You flew off the handle with wild claims just because I had the unmitigated gall to call you on your blatant BS. Check, no change.

Seeing as I never claimed I thought the jerk off kids were in the right, I have nothing to retract. If I had claimed that I am guessing you would have quoted that when you went back through the thread looking for stuff from me to quote. Check, no change.

Still on a sidewalk, not a road? Yep, don't need to change that either. Hmm...what exactly did you want me to change now?

[Havoc]

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Nothing has come up that would make me change anything I said. You responded with wild emotion, and claimed I was the emotional one. Check, no change. You flew off the handle with wild claims just because I had the unmitigated gall to call you on your blatant BS. Check, no change.

Seeing as I never claimed I thought the jerk off kids were in the right, I have nothing to retract. If I had claimed that I am guessing you would have quoted that when you went back through the thread looking for stuff from me to quote. Check, no change.

Still on a sidewalk, not a road? Yep, don't need to change that either. Hmm...what exactly did you want me to change now?

You need remedial reading courses.

[Havoc]

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I purposely didn't quote anyone TK.

That was supposed to make my comments non directional and not single anyone out.

They are sitting on pavement,Black top.

generally that would indicate that they are on a pathway/road/public walkway etc.

any force is always going to look high handed, it's supposed to,that is the purpose of force, the police had 2 choices either let them sit there and do what they were doing or break them up.

If they were impeding a public right of way, then the police had one choice and that was to break them up, if they wouldn't move by verbal command then the police also only had one choice and that would be to escalate the use of force.

People seldom understand what the police do is almost always a direct result of an action or in this case an inaction of someone else, choices are seldom easy and in most cases are judged as incorrect by those who are watching.

People tend to forget past experiances, the police don't have that luxury, they have to live with the past especially in circumstances of civil protest, when you think back on past protests and think about the escalation of them from start to finish what do you see?

What the police see is a gathering crowd, a swell of people, a growing tension, and when viewed in the rear view mirror they see that crowd that swell of people becoming more agitated rather than more calm, the more agitation the more discord,the more emotional, the more confrontational the greater the response from police the greater the response from the police the more the agitation grows until all hell breaks loose, that has been the history of campus protest especially in california, what I saw was a quick end to what could have and given the temperature of the nation almost certianly would have been a real clash with much more violent and pissed off people, and I won't even get into the cost financially of a much bigger protest.

all things considered, I really believe that police acted responsibly and rationally in their approach in this instance.

reposted for posterity.

[Biker Dude]

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You need remedial reading courses.

I'm guessing that if you had any actual responses to what I had said, you would have posted it and quoted my posts. Since you didn't, I'm thinking that I hurt your feelings is all.

Sorry

[Twilla]

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It wasn't the protest that got them sprayed with pepper spray.

It was their choice of locations.

It was their violation of rules/laws and their refusal to move.

If it had been allowed to continue tomorrow would have been bigger and harder to control.

The escalation may not have happened during that particular protest or from those particular people, but the fact that it would not have stayed with those particular people and only during that particular time is what caused the hard response.

It's called nipping it in the bud, I'm sure you have heard of it, and probably used the same philosophy it in your own life from time to time.

It's a well known cop procedure.

http://youtu.be/de_P2aUZJyA

[Twilla]

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You need remedial reading courses.

I'm guessing that if you had any actual responses to what I had said, you would have posted it and quoted my posts. Since you didn't, I'm thinking that I hurt your feelings is all.

Sorry

He's a petty little man. You're lucky he only called you an idiot once in this entire thread, that's about the extent of his repertoire.

[Biker Dude]

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Meh. I don't get as riled over the internet as he does, but I don't know him well enough to call him petty.

I do know that I find some of his views on law enforcement abhorrent. But we come from different perspectives.

[Twilla]

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You don't think his demand for an apology and an acknowledgement that he's right (which he's not, not entirely) is petty? That's a textbook example and a pretty good indication of a bully as well. JMHO, of course.