I thought the long video has sound?

Maybe it does, I watched the one you linked to, I didn't hear any sound.

I hope they find a way to keep these beggars in jail for turkey loaf on Thanksgiving day.

It doesn't really matter if I could hear it or not I know what the cops said to them, and I know the response that they got, and I know the result of that response.

all within reason and all appropriate for the situation, that cop did not uni laterally decide to spray them down, it was a decision which came about from a phone call from the school, a decision based on what the school told them was a violation and a fear from the school officials, and measured by the law.

I'm guessing none of those idiots were law students.

Links please?

(11-23-2011, 11:33 AM)Twitchin Kitten Wrote: Links please?

Links to what?

What you said above, if there are any.

Havoc Wrote:It doesn't really matter if I could hear it or not I know what the cops said to them, and I know the response that they got, and I know the result of that response.

all within reason and all appropriate for the situation, that cop did not uni laterally decide to spray them down, it was a decision which came about from a phone call from the school, a decision based on what the school told them was a violation and a fear from the school officials, and measured by the law.

In the link you provided I saw nothing that would lead the viewer to know why they decided to pepper spray. No mention of police contact with the university, university fears, or a phone call. If there is more information out there about this, I have not seen it yet.

They are quite obviously blocking a sidewalk. Not a road. No building access. Chances of a sidewalk through campus being a fire lane? Not high. It is an obvious police over response. Some of the sprayed students are obviously sitting on grass. Yes, they needed to be moved. At least they didn't beat them into the ER, which is what police brutality really looks like. I'm sure all of the students involved were expecting to go to jail. They got what they wanted. Jail time AND they made the cops look like brutal thugs. Stupid move on the cops part, but hey, what else is new?

(11-23-2011, 12:50 PM)Biker Dude Wrote: In the link you provided I saw nothing that would lead the viewer to know why they decided to pepper spray. No mention of police contact with the university, university fears, or a phone call. If there is more information out there about this, I have not seen it yet.

They are quite obviously blocking a sidewalk. Not a road. No building access. Chances of a sidewalk through campus being a fire lane? Not high. It is an obvious police over response. Some of the sprayed students are obviously sitting on grass. Yes, they needed to be moved. At least they didn't beat them into the ER, which is what police brutality really looks like. I'm sure all of the students involved were expecting to go to jail. They got what they wanted. Jail time AND they made the cops look like brutal thugs. Stupid move on the cops part, but hey, what else is new?

How do you get the police to show up when you need them?

What do the police do after you call them?

The campus has it's own police why didn't they use them?

You can bet that the cops didn't just show up on a college campus on their own.

I have been in this situation with tree huggers, they were always warned ,given time to comply before any response from the police.

They are informed of the law they were breaking, they are told why they are in violation, they are told to disperse, to change locations, they are then told what the response is going to be, they are warned that they will be peppered, they are given time to comply all of this is seen in the video even without sound it's obvious what is happening.

The response by the police was typical and within the course of training and in reality very controlled.

They had enough people to lay hands on everyone of the ones in the frame at least.

Believe me the pepper kept the escalation of the event from going from a peaceful end to a full on confrontation.

Of course most people will just see what they want to see, put on the uniform and take the call and see what it really is before you judge this type of thing or the cops who have been CALLED to deal with this crap.

(11-23-2011, 01:23 PM)Havoc Wrote: How do you get the police to show up when you need them?

What do the police do after you call them?

The campus has it's own police why didn't they use them?

You can bet that the cops didn't just show up on a college campus on their own.

I have been in this situation with tree huggers, they were always warned ,given time to comply before any response from the police.

They are informed of the law they were breaking, they are told why they are in violation, they are told to disperse, to change locations, they are then told what the response is going to be, they are warned that they will be peppered, they are given time to comply all of this is seen in the video even without sound it's obvious what is happening.

The response by the police was typical and within the course of training and in reality very controlled.

They had enough people to lay hands on everyone of the ones in the frame at least.

Believe me the pepper kept the escalation of the event from going from a peaceful end to a full on confrontation.

Of course most people will just see what they want to see, put on the uniform and take the call and see what it really is before you judge this type of thing or the cops who have been CALLED to deal with this crap.

You are assuming the University called the cops. Probably they did. Probably the uni cops called. But you are also assuming that there was additional communication about responses. There is nothing to base that on.

Of course they were warned.

The pepper spray prevented escalation? It was escalation.

Everybody got what they wanted. The kids wanted to make a big deal. They wanted publicity. They got it. The cops wanted to pepper spray some people. They got to.

Your whole 'wear the uniform before judging' is a straw man, and not worthy of and argument. The whole world over people and their actions are judged by someone 'not in that situation'. Deal with it.

I never said they were wrong, or even that the kids were wrong. All I did was point out your fallacious assumptions. I guess that is all that is required before you go off on a tirade eh?

I am pretty sure those are UC Davis cops.

What gave me the impression it's excessive is a couple of things:

You can see the cop move a kids arm for the sole purpose of getting a better blast in the face. I don't think that was necessary.
There was a very large crowd on their feet, many taping the whole thing. If it were going to escalate and get violent, those very kids on their feet would be, in my opinion, the ones to get nuts. They all stood around upset by the excessive spraying and did not riot or attack a cop.

I don't think the kids are 100% right. I never said that. I only think that spray up close and in the face like that was too much.

If these were Tea Party kids, would you ('you' as in anyone) have any different opinion?

These kids ironically are protesting raises in tuitions. They are not OWS protests. No one is looking for a handout. What's ironic is that the unions, tenure and other left leaning policies are the very thing that raises tuitions and is causing protests. I wonder how many of those kids are lefties and don't realize this?

It wasn't the protest that got them sprayed with pepper spray.

It was their choice of locations.

It was their violation of rules/laws and their refusal to move.

If it had been allowed to continue tomorrow would have been bigger and harder to control.

The escalation may not have happened during that particular protest or from those particular people, but the fact that it would not have stayed with those particular people and only during that particular time is what caused the hard response.

It's called nipping it in the bud, I'm sure you have heard of it, and probably used the same philosophy it in your own life from time to time.