Justice for Blueberry

[Twitchin Kitten]

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http://oaklandanimalservices.org/2011/02...blueberry/

Justice was served. The man has no chance of parole.

Now, tell me why Michael Vick gets to walk after a few months for a much worse offense?

Sorry, Jammin - I know you think Vick did his time and should be forgiven and accepted but he didn't do his time. He has not given one dime to helping dogs and he hardly goes out speaking for them without being prodded to do so.

I have no problem with people being given second chances. I have plenty of friends who've done time and I worked for someone for 6 years who was a paroled felon. But Vick and any other animal abuser who gets off light is a sore spot with me.

[Phast Phinger Phil]

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As a Brit I don't know much about either of these cases, but I do have some very strong opinions about animal abuse. Whatever an abuser inflicts on an animal, they should suffer the same fate. Where this guy beat his dog, whatever he beat it with, do it to him. The hell with prison (at taxpayers expense), I would teach these bastards a lesson they would never, ever forget.

Tbh, I have more sympathy for animals in this predicament than I do for humans. We can speak, we can register complaint etc. An animal cannot.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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Exactly.

Just look up Michael Vick - you'll find tons.
He's a famous NFL quarterback and he was involved in dog fighting and running an interstate gambling ring for dog fighting. The NFL looked the other way and let him back in and he got his 5 year prison term cut to 18 months. The NFL and all sports frowns upon gambling amongst it's players (Look up Pete Rose of baseball and see what happened to him for gambling) but with Vick, it all came down to money for the NFL so they let this one pass.

[Phast Phinger Phil]

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We have a problem over here with sick retards involved in dog fighting. There is now a "dangerous dogs" act and the American Pit Bull is banned in this country. Ostensibly for public safety, but it has the knock-on effect of restricting this vile pastime. Unfortunately there is also a breed "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" which is not on the list and they are remarkably similar. Needless to say this legal "oversight" means they can simply get a Pit Bull and lie.

What is really sad about this is that, at £600 per dog (black market) the scum that breed fighting dogs can't keep up with demand. It's a sad indictment of this country and something that makes me ashamed to be British. Whether you beat a dog or use it for fighting is, to my mind, equal abuse.

The "Staffy" as it's often called can be aggresive by nature, but so can Dobermans, German Shepherds and several other breeds. But, if properly trained and well socialised they can be great companions and perfectly safe to own. We shouldn't need a "dangerous dogs act", what we (and probably USA too) really need is a goddamed "dangerous people act"!

[Twitchin Kitten]

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I own a pit bull. I owned two of them until New Year's Eve this year (had to put the old guy down, it was his time).

NONE of the "bully breeds" are aggressive by 'nature'. There is no such thing as a 'bad dog'.

I've been fighting against breed specific legislation here for ages. So far, I'm ahead of the game in NJ but try to get homeowners insurance with any breed you don't know the parents of! They don't want to hear it's a mutt. You MUST know what kind of mix it is. I call bullshit on that.

Saffies are lovely little dogs and again, are not aggressive by nature. Like pits, they are loyal to their families and will babysit your child.

The assholes who abuse, fight and poorly breed and train these dogs are what makes the good dogs and owners suffer. Trust me, I'm in the thick of it constantly. My dog wouldn't hurt a fly. If someone came in the house to rob us, she'll show him where the cookies are. She loves everyone and thinks they are here to see her. Aggressive my ass.

As you can see by banning a specific breed, the UK probably made the situation worse. It goes underground and no one can watch what's going on with breeding, caring and training. These people self medicate, self euthanize (in the most horrific ways too) and play veterinarian all the time.

[Phast Phinger Phil]

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Legislation on permitted breeds isn't necessarily the answer, but the bastards who break the law for the sake of fighting/abuse have a tougher time keeping their dogs now. You can be stopped on sight and asked to show evidence of breed for one thing, and we do have a lot of public-spirited people who would report someone keeping a dog and not taking it out for excercise. The downside of course is that when such dogs are "confiscated" they are invariably put down (euthanised). I find that the saddest part really...

Unfortunately, although we are a so-called democracy there seems to be a "nanny" attitude from whatever party is in government. If they can't solve a problem by passing a law, they try to pretend it doesn't exist.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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That "evidence of breed" is one thing here that has become a huge issue, mostly for homeowners (ME). Insurance companies here are skeptical to give you insurance if you have a dog. If you claim the dog is a mutt, they don't want to hear it. Thanks to assholes making those 'designer breeds' (cocker poos, labradoodles etc), there is no such thing as a mutt now. Insurance companies want to know what is the mix or you don't get homeowners insurance.

There is a 'bad dog' list a mile long. Collies are on the list because Shelties look like collies and are known to be nippy. It's all bullshit. Some asshole who buys into the hysteria of the media and the ignorant public fears what they don't understand and they go about banning, regulating, licensing and killing for the "good of the public".

[Phast Phinger Phil]

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The insurance issue seems odd. We have homeowners insurance obviously, but "pet" insurance is a seperate and voluntary thing. Homeowners insurance is for the property and contents, together with public liability (if a tile/shingle falls off the roof and hits someone for instance). In fact, some companies consider having a dog is a burglar deterrent! Pet insurance here is solely to cover vetinary bills and they differentiate by classing dogs in size! Small, medium, large & very large. I get caught out in a different way because I keep greyhounds and they're classed as large dogs. They're invariably docile and friendly, and would sleep all day if I let them. They have very few health issues other than a higher rate of cancer due to breeders being concerned only with how fast, rather than how healthy. Virtually no effort is made to breed out the disease. Most insurers don't include palliative care though, so imo the kindest thing to do if cancer is diagnosed is to euthanise.

As regards liability, I'm not aware of any system here other than that if a dog bites a person the "authorities" usually seize it and euthanise. If another dog bites yours the only recourse is to sue it's owner. Many years back - so long I can't remember, we used to need a licence to keep a dog. The system was abandoned presumably because it cost more to implement than the revenue collected. Personally I think it should be re-introduced at a higher rate, and the money used to fund re-homing centres for dogs that are confiscated from non-licence holders.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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Homeowners insurance and pet insurance are separate entities here too.
It's the liability of having a dog that screws you on homeowners insurance. I don't know if my homeowners issues in only in New Jersey or nation wide, but here a burglar can sue you if your dog bites him, cuts himself breaking into your home, gets kicked trying to steal your horses etc. You can't protect yourself or you wind up getting sued by the very asshole trying to harm you and yours.

Years and years ago owning a dog would have been considered a burglary deterrent but now it's another thing to have insurance companies use to stack the odds in their favor and not write you.

Right now in NJ, I'm lobbying my state senator to put insurance companies in with Gambling because IMO it's the same thing.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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OH almost forgot!

Licensing.... these fuckers want to license any breed that looks like a pit bull $750 PER YEAR PER DOG to keep them here or they want them banned altogether. I certainly cannot afford that and many people can't. Homeowners in respectable neighborhoods should not have to bear the burden and stigma because those who own these dogs irresponsibly are making problems.

I would have no problem having an inspection and a low fee for owning a pit bull but not the above. It's a bullshit way to force people to get rid of their dogs and collect money that will surely be wasted in the government.

We have licensing now for dogs and cats. $10 a year for spayed / neutered and $15 if they are not. The whole licensing thing is bullshit as that money is already wasted nothing being done about that.