Something that bothers me...

[Aurora Moon]

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hmm, you have a point TK.

I have to admit that as a 16-17 teenager, if the chance presented it to me I would had probably done it with a hot teacher who I found attractive. that is, if he was unmarried. even as a teenager, I had morals like: "You don't bang somebody who's married or is known to be taken by somebody else. it might come to bite you in the butt".

It just turns out that a lot of the teachers at my school was married so that fantasy was out for me. plus if a hot attractive teacher who was married came on to me, I would had reported him not just because he was a creep but because he was cheating on his wife with young students and I would had felt that the world as well as his own wife deserved to know what a cheating scumbag he was.

however, tk, you have to keep in mind that those teachers aren't just going after seniors. if it was just senior high school kids who looked like adults themselves then it would had been more understandable.

However, some teachers go after kids who are like 10 years old. they don't even look like adults at that point, you know? and at that age they're only starting to shed that mentality of playing with dolls/playing with trading cards/etc or whatever it is that kids that age slowly stop doing.

that's the other thing here... it seems like a lot of kids' today have their mental growth stunted. they're just more emotionally and mentally immature than ever. so in the past, having sex with a 16-17 year old was just you having sex with a young adult. Nowdays, you're just a creep who's having sex with a person who might have the body of an young adult but with the mental capability of a 10-year-old.

I guess it's just one thing for the kids to initiate it... another thing completely for the teachers to start initiating it themselves. Some kids develop mentally and emotionally at different rates, and some guys/girls aren't just ready for it while others are.

I think those young guys who makes such comments have to think about what they're really saying before they actually alienate anybody with their comments. I'm sure there's plenty of teenage girls or young women who thought: "She got into an relationship with a teacher that hot?! hot damn, I sure don't blame her. he's so sexy.... I envy her." but they know better than to actually say it on those message-boards or in the comment sections. because they know that somebody out there had an non-consensual experience with this attractive man (even if we can't imagine how it would be non-consensual), and we don't want to be thoughtless or tasteless by making such comments publicly.

then there's the risk of coming off as sounding like some slutty nymphomaniac. we don't want to sound like we're easy, even if some of us might be. so I guess that's the difference between girls and boys in how they make such comments publicly.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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Well, anyone having sex or trying to have sex with a prepubescent child is just a fucking pervert and is not even part of the "kid had sex with hot teacher" thing. It's not on the same plane or planet. That's deviant, pervert behavior and anyone who has tried, male or female, should be strung up in public.

[John L]

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The simple truth is that a young man's first sexual experience with an older woman, is a 'right of passage' that has been around for eons. And there is good historical sense to it too. In hunter-gatherer times, males tended to get killed much more than women, who did most of the gathering and child rearing. Consequently there were always a much larger percentage of living females than males.

It just makes sense that older women would ingrain this into our genes over thousands of years. And the opposite thing, young women for older men, carried a different purpose, much later when civilizations were more conquest oriented. But the former is far older than the later. So it is not going to go away, regardless how much the authorities may attempt to end it. It's in our genes.

One of my favorite movies about this genre is the Summer of 42, or the older 1969 take of "The First Time".

[Aurora Moon]

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Well, anyone having sex or trying to have sex with a prepubescent child is just a fucking pervert and is not even part of the "kid had sex with hot teacher" thing. It's not on the same plane or planet. That's deviant, pervert behavior and anyone who has tried, male or female, should be strung up in public.

I agree with you there actually. but sometimes some people just don't get that logic.. they just think: "a boy lost his virginity at 10 years old?! wow, he must be hot stuff!" they basically want to congratulate the boy, and not even think about the possibility that it might had been *gasp* non-consensual.

John L, that may be so, but sometimes a boy can be TOO young to lose it like that to somebody so old.

the way I see it... 16 and up is somewhat acceptable for a male, provided that the "older woman" in question is only a few years older, and not old enough to be the boy's mother or even grandmother.

any younger than that around 13-15... well, let's just say the "older female" in question had better damn be 16 and still in high school herself or else she's going to be in deep shit.

And I happen to apply this logic to any given situation where it's the way around too.

[John L]

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AM, one thing you are not understanding is that when you grew up, as with today, puberty comes about three years earlier than when I was growing up. Scientists are not exactly certain why this is the case, but many professionals, and I am in agreement, suspect it to be the abundant addition of refined/processed carbohydrates.

With all the refined carbohydrates ingested by children, their bodies are not used to this because humans have always been hunters and gatherers. And while processed foods have been in society for over a hundred years, the simple truth is that all the gunk snacks today weren't anything like that in the 40s and 50s. Back then it was nothing for a male, or female, to not enter puberty until 15-16 years. Today, that is much earlier.

So, take that into consideration when you make any judgment about historical things.

Besides, early man lived so few years, on average, that puberty marked the beginning of adulthood. It still does in some places. So equating age and physical maturation, are two different things.

For the record, when I was sent to military school, in 1959, I was a sophomore, and turned fifteen that Halloween. I did not enter puberty until that next summer when I was on the down side of fifteen, and officially a junior.

[Aurora Moon]

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But wouldn't that only support my argument that only 16 years old and up is somewhat "acceptable" when it comes to teenagers having their first sexual experience with older adults five years their senior?

since how historically that was the age that they officially became young adults and all that jazz. it also explains why so many 16-17 years old can pretty much pass themselves for college-aged adults.

Any younger than that just seems somehow wrong and gross. espeically with perverted teachers going after students who were only 13 years old or something like that. I don't even think it's okay for older women to go after boys that young.

you call it a rite of passage... I call it a old-fashioned and outdated concept. It goes right out the window along with the idea that "if a girl's old enough to bleed down there, she's old enough to be having sex and be married!"

Especially with how you point out that teenagers are now hitting puberty much earlier. come to think of it, I hit it pretty damn early too... around nine and half years old. So if people were to stick by old, outdated concepts like rite of passages for boys... then I should had been married off and my virginity despoiled by some dirty old man at the age of nine. just like that Wife of Muhammad's!

So if boys are hitting puberty earlier... then boys young as 9 should be undergoing rites of passages with women who could be much older than their moms. doesn't that thought disturb you at all? That's why I think trying to justify the idea of Boys with older women as a "rite of passage" is stupid. Why not just tell the boys to lay with girls of their own age? They're bound to have more in common, and plus maybe have a relationship longer than a one-night stand (which apparently happens a lot with older women). even if it only lasts for a month or less, as some teenage relationships are bound to go, it's still better because it'll give the boys more pleasant memories of the girl who they had their first time with.

just my personal opinion.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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If kids are maturing faster these days, how do you explain women marrying at early teen ages a hundred years ago? And having babies back then too?

My grandmother was married at 16 and had three kids before she was 20.

Years ago women and men procreated at younger ages IMO because lives were shorter. You describe it as the other way around.

I see kids here and they certainly don't look more mature than when I was in school at their ages.

[John L]

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I'm just talking about statistics. If you are going by the numbers than children are entering puberty, on average, earlier than fifty years ago. Its something in the diet.

Study: More U.S. girls starting puberty early

Now Girls And Boys Are Starting Puberty Earlier

And here is the latest idea as to why: Why Are 7- and 8-Year-Old Girls Entering Puberty? And note that highly refined carbohydrates fit neatly into this latest thinking. The more of them you eat, the easier it is to pack on those extra pounds. And since boys tend to be more highly energetic, they almost always enter puberty later than girls. It may also have something to do with the same reason why skinny people live a good deal longer than overweight people. They tend to mature later, and die later too. And they usually exercise much more and keep the body in a physical stressful state, due to all that burning of calories. Highly refined carbohydrates tend to pack on much more calories that will be added to the fat cells of sedentary children.

The most likely culprit of precocious puberty is the obesity epidemic. Overweight girls are 50 percent more likely to enter puberty early, and those considered obese have an 80 percent chance of developing breasts The F.D.A. doesn't require that manufacturers prove their safety before they are used.
before their ninth birthday. In this country, nearly one third of children and teens are overweight or obese. The F.D.A. doesn't require that manufacturers prove their safety before they are used.

Why would fat signal the body to mature faster? Probably by tripping the hormone system that starts puberty in the first place. In the normal pre-teen brain, a grape-sized structure called the hypothalamus starts secreting the chemical GnRH, which then, by way of the pituitary gland, tells the ovaries and testes to make estrogen and testosterone, and in girls, "breast buds" are usually the first result. While this process is normal, chubbier children have more of the chemical leptin, which can stimulate the release of GnRH, as well as the pituitary's hormones.

[Havoc]

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Historically, as a personal family matter my grand parents were married when my grandma was 15 and my grandpa was 18.

They had 12 kids, in their lives together, try doing that if you get married at 30.

times have changed but people really haven't the urge to start a family early is still there, the sex drive is there but society has replaced nature with laws that prohibit such normal behavior.

large families are no longer the norm, since we don't farm for our own personal existence.