12-30-2011, 03:03 PM
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You're assuming that the people who do the removing won't have popular support. They will if it gets to that point. Power abhors a vacuum, and someone else has stepped in to the vacuum over there: in Iraq's case it's Iran and their proxies. Egypts? Muslim brotherhood and other Islamists. In Russia c. 1917-1922, it was between the Reds and White Russians, and someone filled the void - we know that from history. There are no power vacuums; even Somalia is run by someone or something. At the moment, it happens to be various warlords or Islamists.
Either you're one the power, or you're the one suffering under someone else. In our case, it's been mostly benevolent till now.
Mess across the Mississippi? Sounds like a problem over there. Just because we have an increase in numbers....I'd like to see how you would justify that means we should do ______. If the demographic in your area tend to act like animals in the face of deprivation/someone not providing control/lack of a tit to suck in various forms, instead of a community, you need to adjust where you live or accept it. Times would be hard here, for sure, but I will not worry about riots, mob murders, mass starvation and terror. This is besides the point of this thread and subject of it's own.
Water and electricity will indeed not run correctly if they are run by gov't agencies. Do they need gov't agencies to keep running? People survived long before someone decided to impose things upon them like the myriad of agencies, policies and petty tyrants we have now. Look at any given school board - public schools are a disaster. It's a wonder we existed without them....another thread for another time.
The Southern border is already a disaster - I know, I lived on it for two years. Perhaps if the tards were removed and *others* took over, the problem might be addressed. I do not doubt the capability of the states to take care of themselves - at present no thinks they can because they've been on the Federal IV drip and vice versa for so long that people do not recall when individual states and territories were largely on their own. The evolution of that relationship/cause and effect is a thread entirely unto itself.
What I am talking about, is the removal the tumor that is causing the problems. Gov't has existed so long as mankind has been around, but it is the people who allow such terrible stupidity, petty tyranny and bad policies to continue that are the problem. And so long as they are around, you'll always face the problems we have now. You'll never completely remove them without a massive ideological awakening (highly unlikely in the face of other factors), or removing the people who were the problem.
As I said, either *you're* in charge within the *void*, or someone else is. Myself, I am content to live mostly outside the sphere of influence or control for now. The fears of the UN being involved are groundless - they can't function without the money we throw at them. The fears of terrorism.......who are you really more afraid of? Some ideologically backwards Muslims or the massive array of gov't agencies? Myself, I worry about the latter more than the former.
Which for now brings me back to another point I made earlier on: people deserve what they get. If they are unwilling to fix it according to more peaceful sensibilities, then they can continue to suffer. If they do fix it, and continue to entertain the problem people, they can run the risks of the problems becoming the norm again. I wouldn't be too upset if people were lined up and shot in places. We're at the point where another decade or less of following the same path will bring us to be like Argentina in their economic meltdown in 2001. And that there, will be just what 'the people' deserve unless they fix it.
Either you're one the power, or you're the one suffering under someone else. In our case, it's been mostly benevolent till now.
Mess across the Mississippi? Sounds like a problem over there. Just because we have an increase in numbers....I'd like to see how you would justify that means we should do ______. If the demographic in your area tend to act like animals in the face of deprivation/someone not providing control/lack of a tit to suck in various forms, instead of a community, you need to adjust where you live or accept it. Times would be hard here, for sure, but I will not worry about riots, mob murders, mass starvation and terror. This is besides the point of this thread and subject of it's own.
Water and electricity will indeed not run correctly if they are run by gov't agencies. Do they need gov't agencies to keep running? People survived long before someone decided to impose things upon them like the myriad of agencies, policies and petty tyrants we have now. Look at any given school board - public schools are a disaster. It's a wonder we existed without them....another thread for another time.
The Southern border is already a disaster - I know, I lived on it for two years. Perhaps if the tards were removed and *others* took over, the problem might be addressed. I do not doubt the capability of the states to take care of themselves - at present no thinks they can because they've been on the Federal IV drip and vice versa for so long that people do not recall when individual states and territories were largely on their own. The evolution of that relationship/cause and effect is a thread entirely unto itself.
What I am talking about, is the removal the tumor that is causing the problems. Gov't has existed so long as mankind has been around, but it is the people who allow such terrible stupidity, petty tyranny and bad policies to continue that are the problem. And so long as they are around, you'll always face the problems we have now. You'll never completely remove them without a massive ideological awakening (highly unlikely in the face of other factors), or removing the people who were the problem.
As I said, either *you're* in charge within the *void*, or someone else is. Myself, I am content to live mostly outside the sphere of influence or control for now. The fears of the UN being involved are groundless - they can't function without the money we throw at them. The fears of terrorism.......who are you really more afraid of? Some ideologically backwards Muslims or the massive array of gov't agencies? Myself, I worry about the latter more than the former.
Which for now brings me back to another point I made earlier on: people deserve what they get. If they are unwilling to fix it according to more peaceful sensibilities, then they can continue to suffer. If they do fix it, and continue to entertain the problem people, they can run the risks of the problems becoming the norm again. I wouldn't be too upset if people were lined up and shot in places. We're at the point where another decade or less of following the same path will bring us to be like Argentina in their economic meltdown in 2001. And that there, will be just what 'the people' deserve unless they fix it.