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#1  Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:44 pm
Well the hot topic of the day is the current Health Care bill that is waiting to be voted on. I've attached the whole 1018 page bill for you all to have a look at.

I'm all for revamping health care in this country but if this bill goes through, it'll dismantle private insurance as we know it (see section 102). Seniors - and I'm talking about anyone 65 years old will have to go through MANDATORY "life counseling" about DYING! Jesus H. Christ! Talk about a slap in the face.

Top it off they are making cuts in Medicare to our seniors with this bill.

This bill is being rammed down the throats of the people and thank God for the blue-dog democrats who are not happy with this bill and have managed to stall it until the summer recess is over.

This is a bad bill. It will require new taxes on certain foods, new taxes on those who already have private insurance and well how about the penalty per year if you lose your insurance and don't go on the plan!?

It's all in the bill. Don't believe me? Download it and give it a read.

Top it off today the Senate leader, that lovely shrew, Nancy Pelosi - decided that the GOP should be CENSORED and now no one is allowed to call the bill Government Health Plan. Well, what the hell is it then?

Don't yout think for one minute that if this goes through, censorship of other things won't be far behind it! Don't believe me? Check these links out and the video:

(Click ME to go to the video source page if the vid don't play for you)

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32856 

http://www.netrightnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1251745:-gop-not-allowed-to-say-government-run-healthcare-&catid=1:nrn-blog&Itemid=7

What we do need is reform of the current system. We can completely clean up Medicaid and stop dicking around with that system and actually make it work as it was intended to.

Check out Newt Gingrich's plan - and while you're there check the rest of his site out. The man is a political genius. He's never been shy about speaking his mind and if you don't like him just because he's a republican, remembe it was HIS fiscal plan that was used when Clinton balanced the budget. Newt was Speaker of the House during the Clinton years and his brilliance is what kept things on the right track.

http://www.healthtransformation.net/

I've always found that things that are rushed are not always the best thought out plans.

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#2  Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 04:28 pm
Oh and sorry if you don't like Fox News but searching for comparitve video and news stories on other media sites - like CNN - I found nothing but sloppy love stories on how great the plan is and how everyone should follow blindly into the mist.

I wish the rest of the news media would ask a few hard questions regarding anything the president does. It's up to them to ask questions and get answers, not suck up and follow blindly. News should be news and not a bunch of drooling love-sick drones.

It's OK to like the current president, just open your eyes and ask questions!

Ben Franklin said, "Love your country, fear your government." and he was right. Every administration should be asked hard questions!



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#3  Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 12:47 pm
This person has been reading the 1000 page house bill and posting it at Twitterthe bill is worst than you thought
 
Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings.

 This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckmans)
 
 
 
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
 
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill -  THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments and benefits you get
 
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill -   YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
 
Pg 42 of HC Bill -  The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you.  You have no choice!
 
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill -   HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
 
Pg 58HC Bill -   Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
 
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24   Govt will have direct access to your banks' accounts for election funds transfer
 
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).
 
Pg 72 Lines 8-14   Govt is creating a HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
 
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill -  Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange
 
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
 
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic-appropriate services. Example: Translation for illegal aliens
 
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups (i.e., ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
 
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels for Plans.  #AARP members - your health care will be rationed.
 
PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
 
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC   No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No judicial review against Govt Monopoly.
 
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill -  Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
 
Pg 145 Line 15-17   An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
 
Pg 126 Lines 22-25   Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.
 
Pg 149 Lines 16-24  ANY employer with a payroll of $400k and above who does not provide pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
 
pg 150 Lines 9-13   Businesses with payroll between $251k & 400k who don't provide pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
 
Pg 167 Lines 18-23   ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income
 
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill   Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
 
Pg 195 HC Bill -   Officers and employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans'  financial and personal records.
 
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC -   The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax Yes, it says that.
 
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill    Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
 
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill -  Doctors will all be paid the same, regardless of what specialty you have.
 
PG 253 Line 10-18   Govt sets value of doctor's time, professional judgment, etc.  Literally value of humans.
 
PG 265 Sec 1131   Govt mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries
 
PG 268 Sec 1141   Fed Govt regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs
 
PG 272 SEC. 1145.   Treatment of certain cancer hospitals.  Cancer patients: welcome to rationing!
 
Page 280 Sec 1151   The Govt will penalize hospitals for what it deems preventable readmissions.
 
Pg 298 Lines 9-11   Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission will be penalized by the Govt.
 
Pg 317 L 13-20   PROHIBITION on ownership/investment.  Govt tells doctors what/how much they can own.
 
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3    PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
 
pg 321 2-13   Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
 
Pg335  16-25 Pg 336-339 -   Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
 
Pg 341 Lines 3-9   Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps into Govt plan
 
Pg 354 Sec 1177 -   Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people.! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
 
Pg 379 Sec 1191   Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee.  Can you say HC by phone?
 
PG 425 Lines 4-12    Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
 
Pg 425 Lines 17-19   Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
 
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3   Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.  Excuse me???!?!?!?
 
PG 427 Lines 15-24   Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
 
Pg 429 Lines 1-9   An advance care planning consult will be used frequently as patient's health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12    Advance care consultation may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
 
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 -   The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
 
PG 430 Lines 11-15   The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
 
Pg 469 -   Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
 
Page 472 Lines 14-17   PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. One monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
 
PG 489 Sec 1308   The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage
 
Pg 494-498   Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those same services



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#4  Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:14 pm
I checked those against the bill I have and they are all true! Thanks for those Doc.

I also am aware that there are now 5 - that's right, 5 different bills being negotiated on the floor now.

They made a couple of revisions to the one I have up, It's not mandatory now that you take the govt option and small businesses with salaries under half million dollars don't have to pay a tax for it.

What I want to know is why this isn't going to go for a vote by the PEOPLE? Why don't we get a say how our money is going to be spent and if we like what our (and I say this loosely) "leaders" are doing 'for' us?

This is big.... gigantic big and if we get to vote in local elections for things like name changes to our towns, why the hell not health care on this massive level and expenditure and INTRUSION into our health and way it's managed?



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#5  Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 02:49 pm
This is the kind of nonsense we're getting from our representatives!

How can you NOT read the bill just because it's a lot of pages long?
Why are you not reading that laundry list of bullshit and cutting down on the garbage shoved in there and IMPROVING on it?

Why do you NOT read a bill and then expect the people to blindly follow you in voting for it? Does our government think we are that stupid?

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